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# Building a Real Business vs Passion Project With Krzysztof (Chris) Wrobel
- URL: https://www.therecursive.com/building-a-real-business-vs-passion-project-with-krzysztof-chris-wrobel/
- Published: 2024-06-12T08:06:00.000Z
- Updated: 2026-05-12T07:50:27.000Z
- Author: The Recursive
- Tags: AI, Chris Wrobel, Podcast, Poland, Virbe, Virtual Beings, Warsaw, #wp, #wp-post, #Import 2026-03-17 10:10

Our guest for [the podcast](https://www.therecursive.com/tag/podcasts/) today is Krzysztof (Chris) Wrobel, the founder and CEO of [Virbe AI](https://virbe.ai/?ref=therecursive.com), a startup incorporating a one-stop-shop solution to extend your team with AI-powered digital employees.

With passion and experience for the future of digital interaction, Chris founded Virbe AI, a Virtual Being creation suite, designed to transform Conversational AI and chatbots into interactive human-like avatars.

Chris is also involved in mentoring and guiding other companies in embracing emerging technologies.

In this episodes, he touches on:

- How he started his entrepreneurial journey by accident;
- What can a Virtual Being do for a business and why we need this technology;
- The balance between innovation and ethical implications in VR/AR;